Someone told me of a Chinese story regarding sticks that turned to snakes and back to sticks to show Gods power (a la Moses), which predates the bible by quite some time. anyone know what this is off the top of their head?
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Ancient and classical beliefs with similarities found in the Bible
by RetroTherapy inancient and classical beliefs with similarities found in the bible.
ive been studying religions and beliefs lately and ive been noting all the similarities they have with the bible.
i havent even scratched the surface with my notes and im nowhere even near learning all of them but i think some of you might find what ive found so far interesting.
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Elders, apostasy and disfellowshipping issue's - thoughts please
by FeelingFree inok so... when i was talking to my mil about why i no longer wanted to be a witness she kept trying to convience me that i needed to speak to the elders.
i said from the word go i didn't feel the need to as my mind was already made up and no one could change it.
i also said if the elders new all my reasons for leaving they would view me as an apostate and i would get disfellowshipped.
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I relate to the curiosity. I have expressed myself to a few elders, in a very calculated way, and very matter of fact. Always within the parameters of what they are held to.
So I have been able to get away with most. However......if someone really wanted to come after me I am sure I have put alittle too much out there. Fortunately.....I'm simply too much work. So I have my JW friends, I'm able to talk to them about things to varying degrees. I just had a good buddy of mine under a few beers, tell me he thinks its all hypocritical crap, but his wife couldn't bear shunning.....so they do a couple meetings a month.
Crazy!
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"Jehovah's Witnesses do better after surgery without transfusion" - Article (July 3, 2012)
by Da.Furious inthis article from 2012 published by the birmingham news showed up on my facebook page.. what i would have liked to see in the statistics is the inclusion of total jws refusing blood transfusion and their survival rate not only the ones taht surviced, taking about only survivors is not like for like comparison in my opinion with patients who take blood transfusion and then dont survive.. .
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What gets me about this.....EVERY freaking time.....is that it is either a scriptural issue OR a medical one.
Don't make the argueemnt that blood is bad medicine to try to bolster your case, if the arguement that it is good medicine doesn't matter because its a scriptural issue.
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Super cute KLM Lost & Found service dog
by Simon insuch a cute dog, looks so happy and a great commercial for them:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk-t_t166ty.
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Damn those Dutch......Wow.
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" Do not ask permission, just play the video--" service meeting instructions.
by prologos inthis statement startled me out of the pleasant mental absence during this week's "service" meeting.. pushing the org.
explanation: "the listener has time to interrupt, if they want--" .
together with an incredible boring "study" of an hand held device, or it's stored content, i will be a totally new crop of orgies at the halls,.
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I have never been out with JW's where a conversation stopper didn't work. People don't know what to do instinctually when someone says no thank you nicely.
Only a few old heads actually try something. i would say 90% of the JW's that hear I'm not interested, are perfectly happy to move on and have already done their "door".
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Chile and the flag: It's true!! Undeniable evidence!!
by ILoveTTATT injoe, sorry, you'll have to eat some humble pie.. .
thank you so much for the poster on extj.com who sent these pics!!
can't have been better!!.
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^^^^wait.....what? I am clearly missing something.
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Chile and the flag: It's true!! Undeniable evidence!!
by ILoveTTATT injoe, sorry, you'll have to eat some humble pie.. .
thank you so much for the poster on extj.com who sent these pics!!
can't have been better!!.
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I am without words. Is Sep 18th the chilean independance day?
So displaying the flag on independence day is up tot he local congregations? There has to be some kind of direction from the branch on this. This is hypocricy at its finest!
I am fuming right now!
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Jehovah's Witness disfellowshipped for questions, joins Catholic Church to "feel Love"
by Balaamsass2 inharber become a fan.
yogi, contemplative, writer.
producer of radio program radical spirituality and sacred activism.
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Alter of idols? Good grief watcher. You continue to baffle.
I doubt very much she prays to those carvings and other things. Probably just reminders for her spiritually speaking.
But it most certainly better than being part of a legalistic, Pharisaical religion, that unscripturally excommunicates for differences of thought regarding ambiguous matters. How you can continue to defend this organization as it continues to try to shroud its history (whats that about a light under a basket?), is clearly responsible for death in the case of an erroneous blood doctrine and changes made throughout, and of course the shunning......the most "Christ-like" of all of their culturally governing principles,
is beyond me.
You never discuss any points of view with anyone, you just throw out a sentence or two, refuse to discuss any particular scriptural point, and leave.
I think that is very unfortunate. I propose we discuss the validity of the blood doctrine. For several reasons with the most important of which being establising bloodguilt. Also see: "communal bloodguilt" in the Insight book. If you study the literature that is.
I'll be waiting.
Take care.
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Blown away-- where to go from here
by All for show ini stumbled upon this website a few weeks ago due to the jw.org ridiculousness, since then i haven't been able to pull myself away.
the thoughts, feelings, and concerns i have had the past few years aren't just mine.
it's global.
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Hey AFS,
Wow. It never ceases to amaze me as new people are on here all the time, how many things there are in common. So here are a few of my musings. I too have young children (not 5). :)
So just afew off the cuff thoughts. the more you learn, the more you will want to tell others. Hold off on that. The desire will subside with time.
Focus instead on your husband and children. Even with a thin thread tot he hall, you never know who may just dive in with eyes wide shut, and start shunning you a decade or two from now. the teachings are not harmless. Think of just two, blood, and shunning. How much harm is done there? You are allowing yourself to research, just look here. thousands of people with broken families. Make yours the priority. Everything else should come from that.
Next, right now you are a bit miffed because of primarily social issues. People being jealous, gossiping, etc... But those are local issues. Just move to Orange County, CA or west side of LA, and those issues go away. The REAL issues are the culture and doctrinal structure of a fundamentalist end time religion. It doesn't have to break your belief in God, but for me it certainly has. I no longer can accept things such as the flood myth, and I make no excuses for Gods supposed behavior in the OT that is far worse than any murderer i have ever heard of.
Still......I'm not sure where that takes me.
And that brings me to that last point. Don't feel like you have to do.......anything. You don't have to jump into some other belief system. You don't have to accept some other faith, or ditch the concept of a creator, or even feel like you must still believe in one. Allow yourself access to all information, and research. It sounds like you are doing that already.
Ride the roller coaster, and check in. We understand, and it helps to talk to peopl who understand. Welcome to the board.
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the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.
by Crazyguy inmy question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.
also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .
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The flood......how did I ever believe in this?
God decides he is really upset with his decision to create man. Of course, sin is the culprit. So he allows some good guys (still sinful and therefore will pass on sin), to hit the reset button on all life on earth.
Of course it only makes sense to drown everyone slowly and methodically including the babies, and animals of the world.
Once everyone is dead, just speed up some micro evolution, and hide all traces of this event (I mean you are going to leave the dinosaurs, but not the flood evidence).
Of course man is just going to be jacked up again because they are still with sin.....but after the whole flood he feels bad and says yeah that was a bit rough.....I'll just make rainbows to show I won't do that again. I mean.....I'm going to kill everyone again in the future, just not with a flood. And this time when i kill them, they will grow to perfection, so i don't have to kill everyone again. And jsut in case some people want to rebel, i will have a stop gap killing at about the thousand year mark.
It all makes perfect sense!